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Posted: Jan 26 2011 at 9:13pm | IP Logged Quote Jimmy frontier

I have a neighbor that gave me a 4 gallons of synthetic oil
which is 0w-20, can i run it in the frontier with a 4.0
engine?   I thought it might help with the valve rattle i
have when first started.

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Posted: Jan 27 2011 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote frontierguy

Hopefully Boomer will chime in here, he is a lubrication
guru.

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Posted: Jan 27 2011 at 10:56pm | IP Logged Quote lakota

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This 0W-20 is what they put in our '08 Camry I-4 at the dealership. In the frontier I'd worry about it in the summer time. That oil is zero weight viscosity oil with little chemical "worms" in it to make it thicker as it warms up. As I understand it the little worms are not a lubricant. All multi-weight oil is that way.

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Posted: Jan 28 2011 at 12:55pm | IP Logged Quote Boomer

Synthetic 0W oils do not really require VI improvers as the base molecules of the oil function to allow the oil to behave that way.  I am running 0W-30 Mobil 1 over the winter in my Fronty and it loves it.  However, I would not run 0W20.  The 20 at operating temperature is thinner than the engine likes.  Most VQ40 engines like a thicker oil at operating temps.  So I would not use it but would recommend any good synthetic 0W-30 (Pennzoil Ultra, Pennzoil Platinum, Mobil 1, Castrol, Quaker Stae, Amsoil) and those can indeed be used year round.

Remeber, a 0W oil is thicker at room temperature than a 30W oil is at operating temperature.  So 0W oils give you much faster oil flow and better lubrication at startup. My understanding is that until very recently, no conventional oil could give a 0W-X rating, only synthetics.



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Posted: Jan 28 2011 at 1:14pm | IP Logged Quote Boomer

Here is a short essay on 0W-30 vs 10W-30 taken from an Amsoil site.

 

Which 30 Weight Oil Do I Use, 0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30?

AMSOIL 5W-30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil ASLWe get asked this question so often that we have included this special page dedicated exclusively to answering the question.

Also Refer: Synthetic Oil Basics Video

AMSOIL 0W-30, 5W-30 and 10W-30 synthetic motor oils are ALL 30 weight oils. The answer is that ANY one can be used regardless of the vehicle owners manual recommendation. To better understand, in a 5W-30 oil, the "W" stands for winter performance. In winter weather the 0W oil will flow like a 0W oil, and the 5W will flow like a 5W oil and a 10W will flow like a 10W oil just until the engine warms up. This multi-grade performance allows faster oil flow during cold start, however when the oil warms up, they all reach the designated 30 weight viscosity.

In order to understand the differences one has to first understand that the numerical values given to these various weight oils are strictly empirical numbers. For example, 0W does not mean that the oil has no weight. That is one of the reasons why we say it is strictly an empirical number.

In order to determine the differences between the three oils one has to look at the kinematic viscosity of each lubricant. The kinematic viscosity is essentially the amount of time, in centistokes, that it takes for a specified volume of lubricant to flow through a fixed diameter orifice at a given temperature.

Let's compare the kinematic viscosity of the three AMSOIL lubricants
AMSOIL 0W30 is 57.3 cST @ 40 °C, & 11.3 cST @ 100 °C AMSOIL 5W30 is 59.5 cST @ 40 °C, & 11.7 cST @ 100 °C AMSOIL 10W30 is 66.1 cST @ 40 °C, & 11.7 cST @ 100 °C

As you can see from the data above the kinematic viscosities are extremely close. Therefore, whether you use the 0W-30, 5W-30 or the 10W-30 is strictly a matter of choice. With the small differences in kinematic viscosity you would be hard-pressed to detect these differences on initial engine start-up without specialized engine test equipment.

All three oils are excellent motor oils and ANY one can be used in a vehicle which requires either a 0W-30, 5W-30 or 10W-30 oil as well as in several other engine applications including an engine which recommends a 5W- 20 oil.

Signature Series 0W30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil SSO Severe Service motor oilAMSOIL Signature Series 0W30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil (SSO) Severe Service motor oil is one of the best synthetic lubricants AMSOIL manufacturers for gasoline engine passenger vehicles and light trucks. The molecular and chemical technology used to develop this oil was derived from AMSOIL's Racing Oil. It is a 35,000 mile/1-year motor oil. This is the same oil used by numerous police vehicles and severe duty fleets nationwide. In fact, many national racing teams use the 0W-30 for the qualifying event, then they change to the AMSOIL 20W-50 Racing Oil for the race. The extra horsepower and friction reduction from the 0W-30 often assists a race driver in attaining a better starting position. In fact, we know exactly which race teams use it, but cannot disclose that information.

This leads to the next topic: many people also ask us if the 0W-30 is too thin a viscosity oil for high ambient temperature operation. The answer is absolutely not! Thicker viscosity oils are not always necessarily better since in addition to its' various engine lubrication functions, an oil must also effectively transfer heat. Only about 60% of an engines cooling is performed by the engine coolant, and only on the upper half of the engine. The remaining 40% of an engines cooling is performed mainly by the engine oil.

Although a vehicle that is recommended to use a 30 weight oil can also use a 40 weight oil, it is usually not needed. You will gain absolutely no benefit from using a thicker viscosity oil if it is not needed. The only time we recommend a 40 weight oil, such as AMSOIL's 10W-40, to a customer in a passenger car or light truck application is if the vehicle's engine is excessively worn and consumes oil at a higher than normal rate or if the vehicle is being used for very severe duty, high load, high temperature applications.



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Posted: Jan 28 2011 at 6:38pm | IP Logged Quote frontierguy

Nice info, thanks Boomer.

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