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Posted: Dec 17 2010 at 4:51pm | IP Logged Quote thepatriot

Has anybody installed one of these in a Frontier? Looking to maybe purchasing one but want to get feedback before I spend the $$$

 

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Posted: Dec 20 2010 at 9:06pm | IP Logged Quote davidjbrady

check out nissan4wheelers.com



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Posted: Dec 20 2010 at 9:18pm | IP Logged Quote thepatriot

Thanks...dont really get much feedback on this site for reason..
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Posted: Dec 21 2010 at 8:14pm | IP Logged Quote davidjbrady

I believe it might be because this site is is mostly for daily drivers and not off roading mods.

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Posted: Dec 21 2010 at 8:35pm | IP Logged Quote thepatriot

Thanks...I'm not on off road fanatic but I do like to know that if I get stuck I can get out. My old truck was an 04 dodge 1500 4x4 with a hemi...I got stuck in a neighbors back yard sinking into soft soil....I had two wheels on opposite sides spining..they were the ones that were stuck!.The power should be shifted to the wheels not spining in these situations in my opinion...this way getting stuck ina foot of mud in a 4x4 would not be possbile....whats the sense of having a 4x4 when you can get all four wheels to opertate??
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Posted: Dec 23 2010 at 7:04pm | IP Logged Quote davidjbrady

As far as I know the Frontier has limited slip differentials on front and rear, and if the rears slip, the traction would be shifted to the front axle since it is not spinning. Thought they would all spin a at the same speed ?

That's where 4 wheel drive low comes in handy...

the engine is at like 2000 RPMs at like 5mph....



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Posted: Dec 23 2010 at 9:28pm | IP Logged Quote thepatriot

Whats the difference between a 4x4 and an all wheel drive? I used to have an all wheel drive toyat tercel and little rust bucket used to plow through snow with no ground clearnce while the big butt trucks 4x4 were stuck!!
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Posted: Dec 23 2010 at 10:47pm | IP Logged Quote lakota

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Whats the difference between a 4x4 and an all wheel drive? I used to have an all wheel drive toyat tercel and little rust bucket used to plow through snow with no ground clearnce while the big butt trucks 4x4 were stuck!!

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4x4s have a two speed transfer case that more than doubles the power to the wheels. The stuck 4x4s you drove past were probably driven by little girls from Florida and their 4x4s didn't have ATC traction controls or LSDs (Limited Slip Differentuals. Normal 'Two Wheel Drive' vehicles really only have one wheel powered on slippery surfaces and the one with the least traction gets all the power! The 4x4 doubles the traction but traction controls are needed for all wheels to drive on slippery surfaces.

There are many misconceptions about the drive lines in modern vehicles like AWD, FWD, RWD, on demand four wheel drive, electronic and hydraulic wheel driving

units. IMHO a ‘real’ Four Wheel Drive should have a two speed transfer case that can increase the ‘crawl ratio‘. Increasing the crawl ratio does two important things for the truck, (A) It increases the effective power to the wheels for steep climbing and traveling through mud. (B) And, more importantly, it aids in the ability of the engine to act as a speed brake to prevent over heating and loss of the hydraulic brakes I.e. the ability to STOP on steep down hill grades!

So a lot of the 4x4 system is about gear ratios for power and four wheel drive for traction. Mud and deep snow will require more axle ground clearance than stock trucks have.

With all due respect...

I've never seen a Toyota Tercel or any other AWD Full Size Vehicle on trails like the one pictured below.

Have a good one.. Don S..

 



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Posted: Dec 24 2010 at 8:16am | IP Logged Quote lakota

davidjbrady wrote:
I believe it might be because this site is is mostly for daily drivers and not off roading mods.

please check out the opening page of N4W

http://www.nissan4wheelers.com/n4wheel.html

The site and name is mainly about 4x4s and cover all Nissan vehicles.

I am a member and visit the site every day. I have been eyeball to eyeball with some of these fine people. Perhaps one needs to be a member for full benifits.

Have a good one and thanks for your interest and many good posts!!!

Don S.. 



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Posted: Dec 24 2010 at 8:35am | IP Logged Quote thepatriot

lakota wrote:

thepatriot wrote:
Whats the difference between a 4x4 and an all wheel drive? I used to have an all wheel drive toyat tercel and little rust bucket used to plow through snow with no ground clearnce while the big butt trucks 4x4 were stuck!!

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4x4s have a two speed transfer case that more than doubles the power to the wheels. The stuck 4x4s you drove past were probably driven by little girls from Florida and their 4x4s didn't have ATC traction controls or LSDs (Limited Slip Differentuals. Normal 'Two Wheel Drive' vehicles really only have one wheel powered on slippery surfaces and the one with the least traction gets all the power! The 4x4 doubles the traction but traction controls are needed for all wheels to drive on slippery surfaces.

There are many misconceptions about the drive lines in modern vehicles like AWD, FWD, RWD, on demand four wheel drive, electronic and hydraulic wheel driving

units. IMHO a ‘real’ Four Wheel Drive should have a two speed transfer case that can increase the ‘crawl ratio‘. Increasing the crawl ratio does two important things for the truck, (A) It increases the effective power to the wheels for steep climbing and traveling through mud. (B) And, more importantly, it aids in the ability of the engine to act as a speed brake to prevent over heating and loss of the hydraulic brakes I.e. the ability to STOP on steep down hill grades!

So a lot of the 4x4 system is about gear ratios for power and four wheel drive for traction. Mud and deep snow will require more axle ground clearance than stock trucks have.

With all due respect...

I've never seen a Toyota Tercel or any other AWD Full Size Vehicle on trails like the one pictured below.

Have a good one.. Don S..

 

You may be right about them being little girls from Florida but the fact still rremains that they were stuck because the transfer of power goes to the wheels that are spinning which is no help at all if you are stuck...what it should do is direct the powere to the wheels not spinning..there by allowing traction to get you out...
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