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Posted: Aug 03 2007 at 4:54pm | IP Logged Quote IBbum

I've got a gas mileage issue with my 2001 Frontier SE. I picked this thing up
a few weeks a go (in extremely good condition) and the mileage is killing
me. It's getting 240 to 250 per tank and I've done a FULL major tune up on
it, 38 psi in the tires, new pre-cat o2 sensors, and its got a K&N filter and
Bullet exhaust. Not to mention I've been driving with cruise on and like a
little girl. I'm stumped. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted: Aug 03 2007 at 11:02pm | IP Logged Quote lakota

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IBbum;

Welcome to the group!

Has your area switched to 10% ethanol yet? It sucks

The proper way to talk about fuel mileage is "miles per gallon". Read below then tell us what your fuel mileage is.

Boosting Fuel Mileage updated 06.03.06

... It takes X amount of power to move gasoline engine vehicles from point to point. The engine converts gasoline to heat as the power source. Much more than fifty percent of the heat is wasted unused and is dissipated though the radiator and exhaust system. Large cubic displacement engines normally consume more fuel than smaller engines but this is not a ‘hard’ fact. One of the fuel saving technologies is reducing the of fuel using ‘cubic inches’ of the engine when full power is not required.

... Here is a list of a few of the mechanical things that can effect fuel mileage.

Cam and ignition timing, cam lift, duration and valve size. Leaky fuel delivery systems with vented vapor losses, restricted air induction systems i.e. dirty filters. Intake air can also be too hot or cold Restricted exhaust scavenging systems. Operating temperatures of fuel and engine. Carburetors with bad power valves, accelerator pumps and fouled choke systems. Carbon fouled injectors, sparkplugs, and piston rings. Type of transmission, automatics without lock-up converters and over-drives, gear ratios. The type of tires, tire size, the tire pressures and the wheel alignment. Example; Just think, is it possible that larger wider tires require less ‘toe in’ that could reduce drag and get better fuel mileage? The vehicle speed, the load, the wind speed and direction. The list can continue on including the type and additive mix of the gasoline. Gasoline blends are changed continually by area, altitude and season.

Wind resistance increases as a square of the speed at which you are traveling. For an example, at 70 mph, wind resistance is double what it was at 50 mph, I.e. 70 mph squared is nearly double as 50 mph squared. So the faster speeds require more power and fuel

The driver knowledge and ability is the big factor for achieving the best fuel mileage if the vehicle is in proper condition.

Make sure the odometer in the vehicle is showing correct mileage. Increasing the diameter of the tires will reduce the amount of miles shown on the odometer. Keep a record of all fuel amounts, the mileage and the Miles Per Gallon between each gas-up. The record can be helpful in spotting problems with the engine when there is a sudden drop in mileage.

An example of the simple formula is 200 miles divided by 10 gallons = 20 MPG

Full tank amounts will vary due to air trapped in the tank but the MPG will average out in the long run.

Here are a few thoughts about saving fuel.

First thing a driver will notice when they start to conserve fuel is it will agitate other drivers around his vehicle. Please be considerate of other drivers who have no concept of your economy driving. The other drivers want to race to the next stoplight and remember, if they don’t get there quick enough they won’t get to stop!

1. Think about driving as an art while doing so. Stop rubber-necking, turn off the music, the cell and drive.

2. Install a dash-mounted vacuum gauge and use it. As the fuel mileage drops the vacuum needle drops. Try to prevent the needle from dropping below five inches. Readings will change with altitude changes.

3. Drive as if you had a fresh egg taped on the accelerator AND brake pedals.

4. Apply accelerator and brake petals smoothly.

5. Reduce speed as much and as soon as possible. Speeds above 50 MPH eat into the pocketbook!

6. Scan far ahead of your vehicle for traffic control signals and things that will allow you to ‘get off the gas’ sooner so you don’t have to ‘hit’ the brakes as hard – later. The over use of brakes means fuel has been wasted.

7. Drive as if your afraid your brakes are in poor condition and you are trying to save them.

8. Purchase your fuel in the morning when it’s cool and keep the tank full.

9. Air you tires up when they are cold and on the plus side of the recommended pressure and check them often especially on cold days.

10. Small amounts of high quality low ash synthetic Out Board 2cycle oil in the fuel (less than ¼ Oz per gallon) will clean and lubricate and reduce friction. The low ash oil will help the following items for better fuel mileage and life; electric gyrator fuel pumps, carburetor/injector parts, spark plugs, valve stems, compression rings and EGR systems. One sticky fuel injector can drop fuel mileage by one third.

11. Air dams can enhance cooling and reduce aerodynamic drag. Reduce the amount of air getting under the truck because the underside of vehicles create much air turbulence and drag at highway speeds. Bug shields, sun visors, wind deflectors and large outside mirrors can reduce fuel mileage.

12. The effect of heavy loads is detrimental to fuel mileage and brake life.

13. Modifying a vehicle with lifts and large wide tires is detrimental to fuel mileage and brake life.

14. Cruise control may save fuel in ‘flatlands’ but may not be economical in hilly country.

15. In hilly country do not allow the down hill run to cause engine ‘braking’ i.e. slowing down the vehicle unnecessarily. Run your fastest speed at the bottom of a hill and the slowest at the top. ... Only use engine braking when the vehicle is going to gain excessive and unsafe speed that would have required a fair amount of regular brakes. Excessive downhill braking can cause many heat related problems. Among these are warped rotors, brake fade, boiling brake fluid, wearing out pads, over heating seals, bearings and lubricants.

... Down hill engine braking and downshifting for increased engine braking is not going to consume very much fuel because the throttle will be closed. Long downhill runs of five or more percent grades are a good time for downshift engine braking. Two miles of seven-percent grades with curves should be mandatory.

So in hilly country it's a case of the having to use more throttle to regain the speed you lost by allowing short periods of unnecessary engine braking.

16. Allow the engine to warm up and/or drive gently till it does. Cold engines get poor fuel mileage.

17. Put the transmission in neutral or stop the engine when long waits in traffic are encountered i.e. train crossings and long red traffic lights.

18. Reduce the Air Conditioning and the electrical demands on the alternator. Alternators draw much horsepower and extra fuel so fancy lights and sound systems burn extra gasoline and bother other peoples eyes and ears.

19. If the automatic transmission is equipped with overdrive and/or lock-up torque converter learn at what speeds it changes gears/locks. Often one can get the transmission into overdrive and lock the converter sooner by backing off the accelerator pedal a little at the right time.

20. Having the windows rolled down at highway speeds create extra aerodynamic drag and might use more horsepower than the airconditioner.

21. Hey!.. wake-up!! do you have any other ideas?

Have a good one while you can still laugh about it.. Don S..

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Posted: Aug 04 2007 at 1:24pm | IP Logged Quote IBbum

Its about 14.5 miles per gallon.
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Posted: Aug 04 2007 at 5:33pm | IP Logged Quote lakota

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IBbum;

... Pardner that ain't good.

Hard driving with ethanol or mild miss fire in the plugs or wires.

... At 35,000 miles my Frontier had a miss at WOT (Wide Open Throttle) at high RPMs. Against my better judgment a friend put some Lucus gas treatment in my tank. To my surprise the fuel mileage went up about 1.5 MPG. The next 2000 mile trip we got 22+ MPG in the mountains of COLORADO with just a little bit of rock crawling at Silverton.

Have a good one while you can still laugh about it.. Don S..

Corn Ethanol: Our government is hoodwinking Americans and making a few people rich. We have a 50 cent per gallon tariff against importing ethanol and subsidize our ethanol refiners 54 cents per gallon with our tax dollars. And using Corn Ethanol is driving food prices up! Another case where lobbyists make the laws!



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Posted: Aug 04 2007 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote IBbum

...uh, okay. What does that have to do with my problem? I'm not sure the
brand, but I used some fuel system cleaner along with the tune-up. Drove
the full take at WOT to really open it up and clean it. My idle seems a little
rough as well but its hard to judge it becuase I've only owned it for a few
weeks. Lemme know if I should give some more info to help you guys help
me. THanks
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Posted: Aug 11 2007 at 11:45pm | IP Logged Quote S.A.R.Tech

who knows?  maybe this is why the original owner got rid of it?  Rough running is a good clue.  Maybe timing (belt or chain?), belts can slip if they are driven really hard.  any reason to suspect excessve drag from any source?

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Posted: Aug 11 2007 at 11:47pm | IP Logged Quote S.A.R.Tech

How does it sound when you stomp on it?  Is it possible that your exaust is plugged up?  My '94 pathy made a lot of air noise at full throttle and not a lot of speed.  I did everything except replace exhaust components, so I am sure that is what it was.

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Posted: Aug 19 2007 at 12:31am | IP Logged Quote Synthetic Oil

What kind of lubricants are you using.  You would be surprised how much of a difference it makes.  Switch to synthetic oil, synthetic transmission fluid and synthetic gear oil and I bet you see a drastic improvement.  I am a chemist with over 11 years of experience and know a great deal about lubricants.  Believe me, not all are created equal.  Send me an email if you want more information.

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Posted: Aug 21 2007 at 8:34pm | IP Logged Quote rippdogg13

its an 01, and its already had to have 02 sensors replaced, and realy bad gas milage... tune up should have been timming belt, plugs, wires, cap and rotor, feul filter, and injectors cleaned with lucus... yes the name counts on this one, they make some of the best stuff availible. use the lucus after replacing your feul fliter, because it will ... actualy make some of the stuff your filter .. filtered to get into your injectors. if it was run realy long with these problems you could have cloged a cat or two from running too rich. the cat will clog with carbon from burning off un burnt gas, thus cloging the 02, also making mpg even worse, wich reads different when the MAF still sees alot of air coming in, but an 02 that reads lean in the exhaust... Gotta love how everything efects everything.

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Posted: Sep 01 2007 at 9:35pm | IP Logged Quote tonkasc01

sounds about right for the 3.3 engine i only get 14.8 and run on high test 93octane the tank problem is weird though i get close to 325miles and 38psi in the tires is overkill i think what is the limit on psi for the tires?

 

I don't mean to step on any fingers but methanol not ethanol is the better it does get worse milage than real gas but it is better for the engine

plus would you rather pay hugo chaves for your gas or your local corn farmer hugo owns a large stake in one oil company and want to raise prices farther now i might not be a scienist but that ain't right.



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