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Posted: Jun 05 2008 at 7:06pm | IP Logged
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I bought a used 2003 Frontier last year with 85K miles on
it. It’s a V6, 5 speed manual transmission. It had no receiver on it so I
assumed no one towed with it.
It now has 105K miles on it and its getting increasingly hard to shift. It’s
not consistent though, so I can't tell if I just need a clutch, to rebuild the
tranny, or what. I get mixed advice from different people so I wanted to get
your input.
Most of the time it’s difficult to get into first gear. I have to really work
it in there if I want to get it in. A lot of times I'll just take off in 2nd to
avoid it. Sometimes though it will go in super smooth like a normal truck. Once
I start going up the gears it shifts okay. Sometimes I'll be shifting, and I
don't know if I let the clutch out too soon, but occasionally it will kick back
out of gear. Also, sometimes when I'm coming to a stop and I have the clutch in
and I've put the gear shifter back into first it will start to grind as I slow
down, even with the clutch all the way in. I've also notice that sometimes when
I take off its almost like I let the clutch out to fast and I lurch a little
bit, but it feels like I'm letting it out like I always do.
I've changed the clutch fluid and I had the tranny oil changed a couple months
ago.
105K miles seems low to have to replace the clutch or a tranny. I had a Chevy
s-10 before this and the tranny went out before the clutch did at 190K miles (I
towed more then I should have with it tho). I haven't towed anything with my
Nissan yet.
Thanks
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JeffKyleMc Newbie

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Posted: Jun 05 2008 at 9:03pm | IP Logged
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well one thing ive noticed on nissan transmissions is that you almost have to be at a dead stop to get it back into first. If your going fast enough to make it grind you should probably throw it into 2nd. Nissan put low enough gears in most of the frontiers to allow them to be put in second at low speeds and even from a dead stop sometimes.
Did you flush out the tranny and put new transmission fluid in it when you bought it? Thats always a good thing to do when you buy a new vehicle. And also it might not have the right fluid in it. Im not sure on the v6 manual trannys but on the 4 banger ones you have to use a GL-4 fluid not the typical GL-5 that most auto parts stores carry. I know if you are running GL-5 in a nissan 4 banger MT it will wear out the synchros in your tranny pretty quick causing you not to be able to shift worth a crap.
As far as life of a clutch(especialy when you buy a used vehicle), im sure you already know it depends alot on how the person before you drove it. I had to replace mine at about 150k and i ran 32" TSLs, 30"T birds, and some 31"Mud Tracs on mine and i dawged mine in the mud all the time. A friend of mine bought a 97 HB with 87k on it and he had to replace the clutch and tranny @ 95k.
and if its popping out of gear more times than not its a clutch problem, and from what you are describing about it it seems like its starting to go bad. Mine would grind about twice a day when it started to go bad, then some times not go into gear as good at a dead stop. Its just one of those things you need to keep an eye on. Hope i could help you out some, and hope all goes well fixing your problem.
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dannyg here to jeffkylemc everthing you say sounds right. About this stick problem
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Thanks for the advice!
I had a shop change out the tranny oil about 6 months after I got it, ~January-ish. Maybe they put the GL-5 in it? Can you buy GL-4 at an AutoZone or Napa? I'll change that out this weekend.
I did notice its geared pretty low...I'll try just putting it in 2nd like you said. I've noticed too that you have to be stopped almost to get it back into first. I thought it was just my truck. Good to know others trucks work the same way.
About how much is it to replace the clutch and the tranny? I would probably just have the tranny rebuilt, rather thann putting a new one in. I should have joined the board earlier, I hope I haven't permanently damaged my poor little truck! I'll need to find a guy to go into the shop with me for an estimate (I hear they don't BS guys as much), but I still wanted to know about how much it should be before I go in blind.
Thanks again for the great advice. Have a good day :)
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I think you're onto something...here's an excerpt off of the Amsoil website:
2. What happens if API GL-5 gear oil is
used in an API GL-4 gear oil application? API GL-4 and API GL-5
products typically use the same extreme pressure (EP) additive system, with the
API GL-5 having about twice the concentration of a API GL-4. In service, these
additives become active under extreme load and temperature when the protective
oil film can be squeezed away. EP additives work by forming wear-resistant
compounds with the metal of the gear tooth surface. As the gears mesh, these
compounds shield the gear teeth from direct metal-to-metal contact that would
cause wear and damage to the gears. If too little of the active additive is
present, proper protection would be compromised. Too much of this additive could
cause excessive chemical corrosion of the gear surface. If an API GL-5 gear oil
is used in a application where API GL-4 gear oil is called for, chemical
corrosion of "yellow metal" components may occur, such as bronze synchronizers,
brass bushings, etc. This may lead to shifting difficulties or shortened
equipment life.
I'm gonna change my fluid this weekend myself. Thank again for the info! You might have saved my truck!
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I couldnt find any GL-4 fluid at any of my local auto parts stores, one of them said that they didnt carry it bc of little demand for it, and some just simple had no clue what i was talking about. I bought mine from RedlineSynthetic.com(think thats right). Meybe you can find some near by you so you dont have to order it. Napa could very well carry it alot of gues on another nissan board buy alot of thier stuff there, but we dont have a Napa where i live so im not to sure.
My friend with the 97HB had his tranny rebuilt and a new clutch put in and it was around $1500. You might could find it cheaper, the main theig that racks the price up is having to remove alot of stuff to get to the clutch. I think the book calls fror 8-10hours of labor, so reguardless of time spent thier gonna charge you that. When i had my clutch done i took it to a friend of mines exaust shop/repair shop and he allowed me to help him so i didnt have to pay hardly anything. I got real lucky.
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I just changed my trans oil and rear end oil with Royal Purple. Its compatible with GL-4 and GL-5. I noticed it shifts a lot smoother now, and its supposed to increase gear life. Its really expensive, but from what I read...its the best.
What you describe does sound like something else is wrong, maybe the clutch, maybe the tranny, maybe both.
Towing a trailer with a truck is not the only way to kill a tranny and a clutch. If a teenager had your truck before you bought it, you can probably bet that the clutch and tranny has been to hell and back. Good luck
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Thanks for the advice!
Well, I couldn't find just GL-4. It was a combo GL-3, GL-4 & GL-5.
I think the oil swap might have made a little difference, so I'm glad I did it. But yeah, you're probably right, it was probably a teenagers truck before and just needs to be rebuilt. I noticed it also needs brakes, shocks, and a catalytic converter too. I was kind of in a desperate situation when I bought this truck, so that's what you get for not researching properly when you buy something!
I'm going to keep it for now, but if I don't end up rebuilding it, does anyone know how trade-ins work? I know I got raped and owe more on it then its worth and I've only been making payments for just under a year now. Sometimes when I force it into gear, the whole truck shakes! It scares me!
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Oh yeah, if its missing a cat it was probably owned by a teenager. They cut them off cause it makes it sound a little better.
Let me guess, when you took out the drain plug for the trans the magnet was absolutely covered and caked on with metal shavings. Thats from 2 or 3 years of racing, donuts, and a lot of dogging out.
You will always owe more than its worth. When you drive off the lot the value goes down a few grand. Then when you trade it in, they will give you maybe 3 or 4 grand then they turn around and sell it for 5 or 6. And after you sign the papers for your shiny new truck for $20,000 as you drive it off the lot the value probably drops to like $17,000. After you finish paying it off with interest (depending on your rate) you actually pay $25,000 or $28,000 or more!
About when the truck shakes. SOMETIMES its hard to get into gear from a stop, I just let off the brake so it can roll a little bit. From what I understand, sometimes the gears don't line up right and it won't go into first or reverse. If you can get the truck to move just a little bit it will go into gear. It might shake if you force it. Hopefully thats all it is for you.
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I'll try that, thanks Dave!
Yeah, you're right, better off doing a rebuild if necessary rather then getting into a new one!
Otherwise the truck's great! The engine's really strong, fastest 4 wheeled critter I've ever owned! I love the extended cab. My dirt bike fits in the bed with the tailgate up. Its a great little truck!
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